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the affixing of Signatures by stamp and its legal validity

unless there is a statutory direction applying to the direction in which the signature is affixed.

There having been some murmur in which the signature is affected.

I don't know whether this wording is correct, if it does, I presume R.E. that it is not his own 'statutory direction' within the meaning of the signature. I ask him to send copies of stamped signatures to see if they correspond with the original.

It appears that the stamped signatures have been authenticated in the same hand-writing. Explain that we understand why the stamp is being used for this purpose, although there may be some objection to its admissibility in evidence due to the signature being stamped.

Reference is made to Section 7 of the Evidence Act 1851, which states that the seal of the Colony (and not the person's signature) is the thing that is being attested to - so far as evidence is concerned.

With regard to rubber-stamp signatures, we recently had a case referred to the L.O. in the Tuan case (I think) where Sir R. Solomon's signature was on a rubber stamp on a certificate of naturalization, and forgery was suspected, although it was ultimately deemed to be authentic.

The opportunity was taken to officially raise this issue in a despatch, although this obligation does not, of course, apply in this case.

I do not recall what the L.O. reported on the above case (or if I saw it at all), but in case it is relevant, reference is made to the L.O. The Tuan case is not directly in point.

The proposed amendment made by Collins was agreed upon by Stubbs on 29/12.

By the time this paper is finally dealt with, Sir W. Nathan will probably have done enough business to...

I think that this practice should be disallowed.

It is presumed that the use of rubber-stamp signatures has not been generally objected to by those who might be affected.

JAR, 26/12

I presume that the reason civil servants object to taking over the fund is due to misconceptions that have prevailed in other colonies, which have been answered by despatch 13916/137127 in the Straits.

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the affixing of Signatures by stamp and its legal validity unless there is a statutory direction applying to the direction in which the signature is affixed. There having been some murmur in which the signature is affected. I don't know whether this wording is correct, if it does, I presume R.E. that it is not his own 'statutory direction' within the meaning of the signature. I ask him to send copies of stamped signatures to see if they correspond with the original. It appears that the stamped signatures have been authenticated in the same hand-writing. Explain that we understand why the stamp is being used for this purpose, although there may be some objection to its admissibility in evidence due to the signature being stamped. Reference is made to Section 7 of the Evidence Act 1851, which states that the seal of the Colony (and not the person's signature) is the thing that is being attested to - so far as evidence is concerned. With regard to rubber-stamp signatures, we recently had a case referred to the L.O. in the Tuan case (I think) where Sir R. Solomon's signature was on a rubber stamp on a certificate of naturalization, and forgery was suspected, although it was ultimately deemed to be authentic. The opportunity was taken to officially raise this issue in a despatch, although this obligation does not, of course, apply in this case. I do not recall what the L.O. reported on the above case (or if I saw it at all), but in case it is relevant, reference is made to the L.O. The Tuan case is not directly in point. The proposed amendment made by Collins was agreed upon by Stubbs on 29/12. By the time this paper is finally dealt with, Sir W. Nathan will probably have done enough business to... I think that this practice should be disallowed. It is presumed that the use of rubber-stamp signatures has not been generally objected to by those who might be affected. JAR, 26/12 I presume that the reason civil servants object to taking over the fund is due to misconceptions that have prevailed in other colonies, which have been answered by despatch 13916/137127 in the Straits. Page 19 March 5 Dodd, with Sirk Winey firld, because under See 7 of the Evidence Act 1851... ... Page 92 ... Bag/12 or at least not sanctioned at present, no reason is given why the... XCR(85)72 GR1178/1922/32(III)
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by despatch

13916 137127

#SK

in Straits

The concessions

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